Fruitless Christians are in the greatest danger in the universe. Unless they repent and bear fruit, they will be severed from Christ and will be thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, according to Jesus! What a shock it must be to some to hear statements like this, but Jesus taught this truth more than once.
He [God] cuts off every branch in me [Jesus] that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. (John 15:2)
The Father wants fruit. What happens to people who do not remain in Christ (namely the branches that get cut off because they bear no fruit)? John 15:6 tells us.
If anyone does not remain in me, he is like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.
Jesus taught in John 15:1-10 that there are two types of Christians — those who do remain in him and bring forth fruit and those who do not remain (the fruitless) and end up in the fire.
Do those who oppose Once Saved Always Saved deceive and frustrate young, struggling believers (new converts)?
That is not how the first-century Christians felt about new converts. Back in that era, the servants of God felt truth and sound doctrine were imperative to spiritual growth, regardless if one was a new convert or not (1 Pet. 2:2; Acts 20:32). Since the Bible clearly teaches a conditional security, then this is what all Christians need to be taught, as was the case back then.
The book of Hebrews was written to Christians who were struggling and needed to be taught certain basic truths all over again (Heb. 5:11,12; 12:12). That book is filled with passages that refute Once Saved Always Saved. Therefore, such teaching isn’t a hindrance to any Christian, but an obvious remedy and aid, according to this book and Scriptures found elsewhere.
Specifically, Paul let Timothy know that especially new converts were in spiritual danger by getting in the office of overseer. Such a violation could lead to their damnation (1 Tim. 3:6). Obviously, such information about the believer’s conditional security couldn’t be detrimental, but beneficial for one to know.
Works salvation is a term the eternal security teachers like to use.
They have come up with an ingenious way – through a false accusation using that term – to try to convince people that their doctrine is correct and is associated with GRACE, while the opposition is a works salvation and therefore wrong. They teach one is either Once Saved Always Saved or believing in a blatant and obviously wrong works salvation. They say the NO eternal security people are:
● believing in a works salvation
● trying to earn their salvation or
● involved in legalism!
We can’t speak for everyone, but as for us at Evangelical Outreach, none of those labels apply to us, even though we do definitely HATE and reject eternal security as HERETICAL and DEMONIC. Please know our faith and trust is in JESUS 100% for our salvation. We believe we are saved by GRACE and not by works (Eph. 2:8,9). We also believe to have a saving faith in Jesus means we will also have good “works” with our profession of faith in Jesus, as James 2:14 and 2:17 state.
Most don’t know that the same Greek word translated “works” in Eph. 2:9 is also in James 2:14 and 2:17 referring to a true salvation. We see the same important truth resurface again in 1 Thess 1:3 where the same Greek word translated “works” in Eph. 2:9 is also found. It says “WORK of faith” (KJV) or “WORK produced by faith” (NIV). A true saving faith in Jesus has GOOD WORKS with it. Don’t allow the popular eternal security teachers to confuse or deceive you about this.
Going back to James for a minute, he also made another relevant point about faith. He taught about another type of faith – the faith of demons – in James 2:19. Demons know there is one God and shudder. But, folks, as you know, they don’t obey God! Don’t be deceived. Following Jesus or obeying God as his sheep do (Jn. 10:27) has ABSOLUTELY NO connection with a works salvation.
Obedience to God has WRONGLY been equated to a works salvation in our apostate day! Imagine that! Simple obedience to God, which is basic to Christianity, is downplayed and basically taught as being unattainable. They often infer or boldly teach that a Christian sins all the time and they even slander Paul as being the worst of sinners. The Bible is clear in Hebrew 5:9 that those who have eternal salvation OBEY Jesus.
To equate obedience to a works salvation is not only unscriptural, it is to attack what is needed for salvation and smear the holy image of a Christian! Jesus himself said his spiritual family are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice (Lk. 8:21). The Apostle John wrote:
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil (1 John 3:7,8).
But that’s not all. The Bible teaches one must be holy to enter God’s holy presence after death. Mt. 5:8 speaks of that same salvation truth with these words – Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God. Thus, Christians are told to keep themselves pure and are constantly warned throughout the New Testament that certain sins will send them to hell.
If one doesn’t inherit God’s kingdom, he will go to hell, and sins (such as listed in Eph. 5:5-7; Gal. 5:19-21; etc.) can cause that. Obeying God will prevent committing such sins and should be magnified and stressed, not attacked as being in legalism or a works salvation or outside of GRACE!
The truth is, the eternal security teachers have changed grace into a license to sin and are slandering their opposition with the term works salvation. Such teachers remain a major hindrance and lethal snare to Christians, and especially to new converts, as they twist Biblical terms to teach their distortions.
John was very clear when he gave us 1 John 2:3,4:
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
John was not teaching a works salvation when he:
● stressed simple obedience as a sign of salvation and
● boldly labeled a person a LIAR if he says he knows Jesus, but doesn’t do what God commands.
The same John also wrote the gospel of John and in chapter 3:36 it says:
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him (John 3:36, NASB).
Believing on Jesus is equated with OBEYING him. Don’t be deceived about this subject. Simple obedience to God is NOT a works salvation. It is the essence of true saving faith. The Bible does NOT teach eternal security or once saved always saved. God bless you.
And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom we must give account (Heb. 4:13).
For He knows the secrets of the heart (Psa. 44:21).
You have set our iniquities before You, our secret sins in the light of Your countenance (Psa. 90:8).
The sins of some men are obvious … the sins of others trail behind them (1 Tim. 5:24V).
You cannot sin and get away with it! No one ever has: Adam and Eve (Gen. 3:16-19), Cain (Gen. 4:8-16), Nadab and Abihu (Lev. 10:1,2), Miriam (Num. 12:1-15), Korah, Dathan and Abiram (Num. 16:23-35), Israel (Num. 25:1-3; etc.), Achan (Josh. 7:1-24), Hophni and Phinehas (1 Sam. 2:12-35), Solomon (1 Ki. 11:9-25), Jeroboam (1 Ki. 13:33,34), Ahaziah (2 Ki. 1:2-17), Gehazi (2 Ki. 5:21-27), Saul (1 Chron. 10:13,14), Uzzah (2 Sam. 6:6,7), David (2 Sam. 12:9-14), Judas (Mt. 10:4 cf. Mk. 14:21), Ananias and Sapphira (Acts 5:1-11), some of the Corinthians (1 Cor. 11:17-34), Sodom and Gomorrah (Jude 7), angels (2 Pet. 2:4), etc.
If God did not spare these and others who sinned, he won’t spare you either, even though you are under New Covenant grace. Consider also the following, which was written to first-century Christians:
We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away. For if the message spoken by angels was binding, and every violation and disobedience received its just punishment, how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? (Heb. 2:1-3).
Someone who believes in eternal security might say, “I don’t believe in the Catholic view of mortal and venial sins, as apparently you do! As a Once Saved Always Saved proponent, I believe all sins are equal in their severity before God, according to Jam. 2:10.”
Dan Corner’s response is below:
To reject the concept that all sin is equally severe does not automatically make that person a believer in the Catholic view of mortal and venial sins, as you assume! You are trying to discredit a conditional security by associating it with Catholicism. This is the logical fallacy known as guilt by association.
Remember, Scripture clearly teaches there are degrees of sin—greater sin (Jn. 19:11), eternal sin (Mk. 3:29), sin that leads to death and sin that does not lead to death (1 Jn. 5:16). James 2:10 does not contradict these verses! That verse and the one that follows it says:
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law (Jam. 2:10,11).
James 2:11 goes on to say if a person does not commit adultery but does commit murder he is a lawbreaker. This clearly shows James is talking about those who are lawbreakers in verse 10, and not that all sin is equally severe in its consequences on the soul, as you assume!
Sins of worry and unthankfulness can never be compared in Scripture to sins of adultery and murder! In Rev. 21:8, the latter will send people to the lake of fire while the former are excluded from this list (and all other similar lists in Scripture).
Death is the most severe form of God dealing with Christians who refuse to forsake their sin. We sometimes speak of such sin as “sin unto death.” John wrote of this in his first epistle (1 John 5:13-17). There are other texts of Scripture which seem to refer to the same thing (i.e., 1 Cor. 5:5; 11:29, 30; Heb. 6; John 15:6). Nowhere in Scripture is the “sin unto death,” or the sin which results in God’s judgment in physical death, defined. Evidently it could be any sin which the believer refuses to confess and forsake. This judgment by physical death means that God removes the individual from the earthly scene because his life and testimony are no longer productive for Him. Moses’ sin became the sin unto death. God took his life and did not permit him to enter the Promised Land. (Sin, the Savior, and Salvation, pp. 268, 269)
Moses’ sin was he disobeyed God’s command to honor him as holy before the eyes of people (Num. 27:13). After he sinned, did he still live a productive life for God? Yes! The Biblical record shows he laid his hands on Joshua as God commanded (Num. 27:18-25). Furthermore, he took vengeance on the Midianites, as directed by the Lord (Num. 31:1,2).
How could this be if his sin and subsequent death is an example of the sin unto death which comes because a person’s life and testimony is no longer productive to God, as the Once Saved Always Saved teachers say?
Zane Hodges and John MacArthur both refer to physical death as being the judgment on a Christian:
A Christian who lives after the flesh is certainly in danger of death, but he is not in danger of hell. (Zane Hodges, The Gospel Under Siege, p. 12)
Believers are kept from being consigned to hell, not only by divine decree, but by divine intervention. The Lord chastens to drive His people back to righteous behavior and even sends death to some in the church (v. 30) to remove them before they could be condemned (cf. Jude 24). (John MacArthur, The MacArthur Study Bible, p. 1746)
Such a sin could be any premeditated and unconfessed sin that causes the Lord to determine to end a believer’s life. (Ibid., p. 1974)
By teaching like this, they both are proclaiming a license for immorality for the unrepentant who once believed, since they will have a quicker trip to a paradise Heaven for their steadfast rebellion through the Once Saved Always Saved interpretation of the sin unto death.
An example of one who lived after the flesh was the Prodigal. Not only didn’t he die physically, but he did die spiritually through sin (Lk. 15:24,32). This is the exact opposite of what Zane Hodges and John MacArthur teach. Furthermore, the Prodigal was in danger of hell at the time he was both spiritually dead and lost.
The Apostle Paul reiterates the Prodigal’s experience with Rom. 8:13. He candidly taught Christians:
For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
The death here can only be spiritual. Gal. 6:8,9 elaborates in more detail about sowing to please the sinful nature and contrasts that to living to please the Spirit to reap everlasting life:
For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
Finally, Robert Lightner cited 1 Cor. 5:5 which he says seems to refer also to the sin unto death. But Dave Hunt contradicts that by saying the unnamed man of 1 Cor. 5 was restored in 2 Cor. 2:4-11.
The man who had “his father’s wife”—a terrible sin—didn’t lose his salvation thereby but as a brother in Christ was cut off from fellowship in discipline (1 Cor 5:1-13); then later he was restored (2 Cor 2:4-11). (Dave Hunt, The Berean Call, July 1996, p. 3)
Which Once Saved Always Saved teacher is wrong about the sin unto death and 1 Cor. 5:5, Robert Lightner or Dave Hunt?
By the way, John Calvin also taught a license for immorality by interpreting 1 Cor. 5:5 the way he did:
Again, when he says that he had delivered the Corinthian to Satan, “that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. v. 5); that is, as I interpret it, he gave him over to temporal condemnation, that he might be made safe for eternity. (John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4.12.5)
Copyright, Dan Corner. For much more information exposing and refuting once saved always saved, please consult the massive volume by Dan Corner entitled, The Believer’s Conditional Security.
From downplaying the unique power of the blood of Christ, to teaching that weeping and gnashing of teeth in outer darkness is in the kingdom of heaven, to saying the Prodigal was lost in the sense that the Father didn’t know where he was, the Once Saved Always Saved teachers will do any kind of Scripture distortion to defend their doctrine. Even beyond these, Charles Stanley’s interpretation leads to the following:
You cannot outsin the grace of God. (Grace: God’s Second Chance, Grace and Continuing Sin, audiotape #4)
Laurence Vance similarly thinks an unrepentant prostitute could be saved. He states this as he chides another who ridicules such a notion. The statement that Vance criticizes is:
… came across a woman who happened to be the town prostitute. This woman believed that she was saved because as a young girl she walked the aisle in an evangelistic meeting and professed Christ as Savior. (The Other Side of Calvinism, p. 336)
Laurence Vance’s strange criticism was “… God let this woman get away with much more than he could.”
How can such strange interpretations go unchallenged? Certainly, there are various reasons. But this we know, such ministries flourish only because so many supporters are not acquainted with the Holy Bible and are not living in the fear of God. The primary reasons seem to be as cited in 2 Tim. 4:3,4 and 2 Pet. 2:1-3. Once Saved Always Saved is a license for immorality and needs to be contended against in obedience to the command in Jude 3,4.
What Did The Holy Spirit Through Jude Write About People Who Turned Grace Into A License For Immorality?
▪ godless men (v. 4)
▪ speak abusively against whatever they do not understand and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them (v. 10)
▪ they have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion (v. 11)
▪ blemishes at your love feasts, eating with you without the slightest qualm—shepherds who feed only themselves, clouds without rain, blown along by the wind; autumn trees, without fruit and uprooted—twice dead (v. 12)
▪ wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever (v. 13)
▪ the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit (v. 19)
Note: The reader will find no verse in Jude where he spoke favorably of the teachers who changed grace into a license for immorality; neither did he say we should support their ministries or seek out their teachings on other subjects.
Copyright Dan Corner, a true holiness preacher who relies on the Bible as final authority for his teaching.
Does the Bible teach Conditional Security or Eternal Security (Once Saved Always Saved)?
Have you ever heard an eternal security adherent use the following argument against a conditional security for the believer? Dan Corner shows how to respond.
There are an equal number of Scriptures that teach Once Saved Always Saved as there are that don’t. Therefore, you can’t be emphatic about a conditional security for the believer.
To believe such a statement implies the Bible contradicts itself. Dear reader, it is absolutely impossible for the Bible to teach both Once Saved Always Saved and a conditional security. One must be wrong!
It is true, however, that Once Saved Always Saved has arguments that seem at first glance to be supported by Scripture, but none of them really are. The Scriptures usually cited for Once Saved Always Saved are either taken out of context (like Jn. 10:28), unrelated to the subject (like Jn. 19:30) or misused in some other way.
The Bible teaches a conditional security for the believer. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they will be set on their spiritual guard to endure to the end for the sake of their salvation (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Millions of souls may perish without this vital information. Once saved always saved (or eternal security) must be rejected as the licence for immorality that it really is.
Since Eternal Salvation is eternal, how could you lose it?
Salvation is indeed eternal, as stated in Heb. 5:9, but please note who receives it:
And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
Obviously, eternal salvation is only for those who obey (continuous-tense) Jesus!
This does not mean, however, that perfect obedience or sinless perfection is demanded for salvation (1 Jn. 1:8; Jam. 3:2). But again, we cannot compare the lesser sins such as worry and unthankfulness to sins such as sexual immorality, drunkenness, greed, etc. that will exclude anyone from the kingdom.
Therefore, based on Heb. 5:9, if one doesn’t obey God, he should not think he will enter the kingdom of God one day. The Lord Jesus taught the same in Jn. 5:29:
And come out—those who have done good will rise to live, and those who have done evil will rise to be condemned.
See also Rom. 2:7 and Gal. 6:8-10.
One final point, the only time we read of our eternal salvation is in Heb. 5:9, yet when the Once Saved Always Saved people mention our eternal salvation they almost never cite the entire verse which shows who the recipients are!