Do those who oppose Once Saved Always Saved deceive and frustrate young, struggling believers (new converts)?
That is not how the first-century Christians felt about new converts. Back in that era, the servants of God felt truth and sound doctrine were imperative to spiritual growth, regardless if one was a new convert or not (1 Pet. 2:2; Acts 20:32). Since the Bible clearly teaches a conditional security, then this is what all Christians need to be taught, as was the case back then.
The book of Hebrews was written to Christians who were struggling and needed to be taught certain basic truths all over again (Heb. 5:11,12; 12:12). That book is filled with passages that refute Once Saved Always Saved. Therefore, such teaching isn’t a hindrance to any Christian, but an obvious remedy and aid, according to this book and Scriptures found elsewhere.
Specifically, Paul let Timothy know that especially new converts were in spiritual danger by getting in the office of overseer. Such a violation could lead to their damnation (1 Tim. 3:6). Obviously, such information about the believer’s conditional security couldn’t be detrimental, but beneficial for one to know.
Works salvation is a term the eternal security teachers like to use.
They have come up with an ingenious way – through a false accusation using that term – to try to convince people that their doctrine is correct and is associated with GRACE, while the opposition is a works salvation and therefore wrong. They teach one is either Once Saved Always Saved or believing in a blatant and obviously wrong works salvation. They say the NO eternal security people are:
● believing in a works salvation
● trying to earn their salvation or
● involved in legalism!
We can’t speak for everyone, but as for us at Evangelical Outreach, none of those labels apply to us, even though we do definitely HATE and reject eternal security as HERETICAL and DEMONIC. Please know our faith and trust is in JESUS 100% for our salvation. We believe we are saved by GRACE and not by works (Eph. 2:8,9). We also believe to have a saving faith in Jesus means we will also have good “works” with our profession of faith in Jesus, as James 2:14 and 2:17 state.
Most don’t know that the same Greek word translated “works” in Eph. 2:9 is also in James 2:14 and 2:17 referring to a true salvation. We see the same important truth resurface again in 1 Thess 1:3 where the same Greek word translated “works” in Eph. 2:9 is also found. It says “WORK of faith” (KJV) or “WORK produced by faith” (NIV). A true saving faith in Jesus has GOOD WORKS with it. Don’t allow the popular eternal security teachers to confuse or deceive you about this.
Going back to James for a minute, he also made another relevant point about faith. He taught about another type of faith – the faith of demons – in James 2:19. Demons know there is one God and shudder. But, folks, as you know, they don’t obey God! Don’t be deceived. Following Jesus or obeying God as his sheep do (Jn. 10:27) has ABSOLUTELY NO connection with a works salvation.
Obedience to God has WRONGLY been equated to a works salvation in our apostate day! Imagine that! Simple obedience to God, which is basic to Christianity, is downplayed and basically taught as being unattainable. They often infer or boldly teach that a Christian sins all the time and they even slander Paul as being the worst of sinners. The Bible is clear in Hebrew 5:9 that those who have eternal salvation OBEY Jesus.
To equate obedience to a works salvation is not only unscriptural, it is to attack what is needed for salvation and smear the holy image of a Christian! Jesus himself said his spiritual family are those who hear God’s word and put it into practice (Lk. 8:21). The Apostle John wrote:
Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. He who does what is sinful is of the devil (1 John 3:7,8).
But that’s not all. The Bible teaches one must be holy to enter God’s holy presence after death. Mt. 5:8 speaks of that same salvation truth with these words – Blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God. Thus, Christians are told to keep themselves pure and are constantly warned throughout the New Testament that certain sins will send them to hell.
If one doesn’t inherit God’s kingdom, he will go to hell, and sins (such as listed in Eph. 5:5-7; Gal. 5:19-21; etc.) can cause that. Obeying God will prevent committing such sins and should be magnified and stressed, not attacked as being in legalism or a works salvation or outside of GRACE!
The truth is, the eternal security teachers have changed grace into a license to sin and are slandering their opposition with the term works salvation. Such teachers remain a major hindrance and lethal snare to Christians, and especially to new converts, as they twist Biblical terms to teach their distortions.
John was very clear when he gave us 1 John 2:3,4:
We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
John was not teaching a works salvation when he:
● stressed simple obedience as a sign of salvation and
● boldly labeled a person a LIAR if he says he knows Jesus, but doesn’t do what God commands.
The same John also wrote the gospel of John and in chapter 3:36 it says:
He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him (John 3:36, NASB).
Believing on Jesus is equated with OBEYING him. Don’t be deceived about this subject. Simple obedience to God is NOT a works salvation. It is the essence of true saving faith. The Bible does NOT teach eternal security or once saved always saved. God bless you.
Someone who believes in eternal security might say, “I don’t believe in the Catholic view of mortal and venial sins, as apparently you do! As a Once Saved Always Saved proponent, I believe all sins are equal in their severity before God, according to Jam. 2:10.”
Dan Corner’s response is below:
To reject the concept that all sin is equally severe does not automatically make that person a believer in the Catholic view of mortal and venial sins, as you assume! You are trying to discredit a conditional security by associating it with Catholicism. This is the logical fallacy known as guilt by association.
Remember, Scripture clearly teaches there are degrees of sin—greater sin (Jn. 19:11), eternal sin (Mk. 3:29), sin that leads to death and sin that does not lead to death (1 Jn. 5:16). James 2:10 does not contradict these verses! That verse and the one that follows it says:
For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law (Jam. 2:10,11).
James 2:11 goes on to say if a person does not commit adultery but does commit murder he is a lawbreaker. This clearly shows James is talking about those who are lawbreakers in verse 10, and not that all sin is equally severe in its consequences on the soul, as you assume!
Sins of worry and unthankfulness can never be compared in Scripture to sins of adultery and murder! In Rev. 21:8, the latter will send people to the lake of fire while the former are excluded from this list (and all other similar lists in Scripture).
Death is the most severe form of God dealing with Christians who refuse to forsake their sin. We sometimes speak of such sin as “sin unto death.” John wrote of this in his first epistle (1 John 5:13-17). There are other texts of Scripture which seem to refer to the same thing (i.e., 1 Cor. 5:5; 11:29, 30; Heb. 6; John 15:6). Nowhere in Scripture is the “sin unto death,” or the sin which results in God’s judgment in physical death, defined. Evidently it could be any sin which the believer refuses to confess and forsake. This judgment by physical death means that God removes the individual from the earthly scene because his life and testimony are no longer productive for Him. Moses’ sin became the sin unto death. God took his life and did not permit him to enter the Promised Land. (Sin, the Savior, and Salvation, pp. 268, 269)
Moses’ sin was he disobeyed God’s command to honor him as holy before the eyes of people (Num. 27:13). After he sinned, did he still live a productive life for God? Yes! The Biblical record shows he laid his hands on Joshua as God commanded (Num. 27:18-25). Furthermore, he took vengeance on the Midianites, as directed by the Lord (Num. 31:1,2).
How could this be if his sin and subsequent death is an example of the sin unto death which comes because a person’s life and testimony is no longer productive to God, as the Once Saved Always Saved teachers say?
Zane Hodges and John MacArthur both refer to physical death as being the judgment on a Christian:
A Christian who lives after the flesh is certainly in danger of death, but he is not in danger of hell. (Zane Hodges, The Gospel Under Siege, p. 12)
Believers are kept from being consigned to hell, not only by divine decree, but by divine intervention. The Lord chastens to drive His people back to righteous behavior and even sends death to some in the church (v. 30) to remove them before they could be condemned (cf. Jude 24). (John MacArthur, The MacArthur Study Bible, p. 1746)
Such a sin could be any premeditated and unconfessed sin that causes the Lord to determine to end a believer’s life. (Ibid., p. 1974)
By teaching like this, they both are proclaiming a license for immorality for the unrepentant who once believed, since they will have a quicker trip to a paradise Heaven for their steadfast rebellion through the Once Saved Always Saved interpretation of the sin unto death.
An example of one who lived after the flesh was the Prodigal. Not only didn’t he die physically, but he did die spiritually through sin (Lk. 15:24,32). This is the exact opposite of what Zane Hodges and John MacArthur teach. Furthermore, the Prodigal was in danger of hell at the time he was both spiritually dead and lost.
The Apostle Paul reiterates the Prodigal’s experience with Rom. 8:13. He candidly taught Christians:
For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.
The death here can only be spiritual. Gal. 6:8,9 elaborates in more detail about sowing to please the sinful nature and contrasts that to living to please the Spirit to reap everlasting life:
For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life. And let us not grow weary while doing good, for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart.
Finally, Robert Lightner cited 1 Cor. 5:5 which he says seems to refer also to the sin unto death. But Dave Hunt contradicts that by saying the unnamed man of 1 Cor. 5 was restored in 2 Cor. 2:4-11.
The man who had “his father’s wife”—a terrible sin—didn’t lose his salvation thereby but as a brother in Christ was cut off from fellowship in discipline (1 Cor 5:1-13); then later he was restored (2 Cor 2:4-11). (Dave Hunt, The Berean Call, July 1996, p. 3)
Which Once Saved Always Saved teacher is wrong about the sin unto death and 1 Cor. 5:5, Robert Lightner or Dave Hunt?
By the way, John Calvin also taught a license for immorality by interpreting 1 Cor. 5:5 the way he did:
Again, when he says that he had delivered the Corinthian to Satan, “that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. v. 5); that is, as I interpret it, he gave him over to temporal condemnation, that he might be made safe for eternity. (John Calvin, Institutes of the Christian Religion, 4.12.5)
Copyright, Dan Corner. For much more information exposing and refuting once saved always saved, please consult the massive volume by Dan Corner entitled, The Believer’s Conditional Security.
From downplaying the unique power of the blood of Christ, to teaching that weeping and gnashing of teeth in outer darkness is in the kingdom of heaven, to saying the Prodigal was lost in the sense that the Father didn’t know where he was, the Once Saved Always Saved teachers will do any kind of Scripture distortion to defend their doctrine. Even beyond these, Charles Stanley’s interpretation leads to the following:
You cannot outsin the grace of God. (Grace: God’s Second Chance, Grace and Continuing Sin, audiotape #4)
Laurence Vance similarly thinks an unrepentant prostitute could be saved. He states this as he chides another who ridicules such a notion. The statement that Vance criticizes is:
… came across a woman who happened to be the town prostitute. This woman believed that she was saved because as a young girl she walked the aisle in an evangelistic meeting and professed Christ as Savior. (The Other Side of Calvinism, p. 336)
Laurence Vance’s strange criticism was “… God let this woman get away with much more than he could.”
How can such strange interpretations go unchallenged? Certainly, there are various reasons. But this we know, such ministries flourish only because so many supporters are not acquainted with the Holy Bible and are not living in the fear of God. The primary reasons seem to be as cited in 2 Tim. 4:3,4 and 2 Pet. 2:1-3. Once Saved Always Saved is a license for immorality and needs to be contended against in obedience to the command in Jude 3,4.
Does the Bible teach Conditional Security or Eternal Security (Once Saved Always Saved)?
Have you ever heard an eternal security adherent use the following argument against a conditional security for the believer? Dan Corner shows how to respond.
There are an equal number of Scriptures that teach Once Saved Always Saved as there are that don’t. Therefore, you can’t be emphatic about a conditional security for the believer.
To believe such a statement implies the Bible contradicts itself. Dear reader, it is absolutely impossible for the Bible to teach both Once Saved Always Saved and a conditional security. One must be wrong!
It is true, however, that Once Saved Always Saved has arguments that seem at first glance to be supported by Scripture, but none of them really are. The Scriptures usually cited for Once Saved Always Saved are either taken out of context (like Jn. 10:28), unrelated to the subject (like Jn. 19:30) or misused in some other way.
The Bible teaches a conditional security for the believer. The sooner people realize this, the sooner they will be set on their spiritual guard to endure to the end for the sake of their salvation (Mt. 10:22; Heb. 3:14; Rev. 2:10,11). Millions of souls may perish without this vital information. Once saved always saved (or eternal security) must be rejected as the licence for immorality that it really is.
Proponents of Once Saved Always Saved theology typically use the following type of logic:
A child cannot become unborn, and the relationship of a father and a child cannot be ended. Once a son, always a son. Therefore, once we are saved we will always be saved. Or as Hal Lindsey wrote:
When you’re born into your earthly family, you may be a winner or a loser in your behavior, but you’re still a member of that family. There’s no way to be unborn just because you don’t measure up to the standards of your family. It’s just the same when you’re born into God’s family. You may be disciplined for wrong behavior, but you won’t be disowned. (The Liberation of Planet Earth, p. 221)
This argument is based on natural fact, then applied to the spiritual, which doesn’t always hold up as truth. (Once Saved Always Saved adherents frequently make this kind of mistake of arguing from the natural to the spiritual.) This type of error can be demonstrated by the following facts: Before we became Christians, we were all “children of the devil” (Acts 13:10; 1 Jn. 3:10) and “sons of the evil one” (Mt. 13:38). In other words, the devil was our spiritual father (Jn. 8:44). However, this spiritual father-child relationship changed at the point of salvation, according to Scripture! Aren’t you glad that spiritual, father-child relationships can be ended?
We are sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus (Gal. 3:26), yet it is possible to stop believing (Lk. 8:13), have our faith destroyed (2 Tim. 2:18) and for our faith to become shipwrecked (1 Tim. 1:19,20).
Also, angels and Adam are called “son(s) of God” (Job 1:6; Lk. 3:38, KJV), yet some angels and Adam lost their eternal life, and we can too as sons of God.
We can’t become unborn, but we can die spiritually (Lk. 15:24,32; Rom. 8:13; Jam. 1:14,15; etc.)! We must endure to the end to be saved (Mt. 10:22).
Finally, Lindsey wrote you won’t be disowned, but Jesus said if we disown him, he will in turn disown us (Mt. 10:33, NIV). Who should we believe?
Excerpt from The Believer’s Conditional Security, Copyright Dan Corner
If you are a teacher, remember you are not in a popularity contest (1 Thess. 2:4)! Your aim should be to please God and win his approval, which does not come automatically (Gal. 1:10).
Mt. 18:6 should especially grip a teacher:
But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea (NKJV).
Causing another to sin can be done through false teachings (Mal. 2:8; 2 Tim. 2:17,18; Rev. 2:20) and example (Rom. 14:21; 1 Cor. 8:10,11). Therefore, be careful what you teach and do.
Also, let the words of 1 Tim. 4:16 remain with you:
Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers (NIV).
Remember, if you are a pastor, you are to keep watch over the ones God has entrusted into your care (Heb. 13:17). Such includes warning, rebuking and correcting—not just encouraging and comforting.
Your judgment as a teacher will be more strict than others (Jam. 3:1). Do not, therefore, compromise the truth of Scripture to please your audience or to promote your own ministry. Jesus never did. Many walked away from him and his message never to return, through no fault of his. Make it your goal to please God, not the people with itching ears, even those who have money and influence in your community.
If you are a pastor, you are not a very good shepherd, or worse, if you know Once Saved Always Saved is wrong and you are afraid to publicly express it to your congregation, especially in light of all the Once Saved Always Saved messages pouring out over the airwaves and found in literature. The Once Saved Always Saved teachers aren’t afraid to openly teach this harmful doctrine with conviction and authority!
The truth is vital, though it might be hard to receive at times and hard to disseminate, especially when you know in advance that some will be unhappy with it. This is one of the hardest tests a faithful minister will ever face. For the sake of eternal souls and your own judgment on that awesome Day, do what is right:
Herald and preach the Word! Keep your sense of urgency (stand by, be at hand and ready, whether the opportunity seems to be favorable or unfavorable, whether it is convenient or inconvenient, whether it is welcome or unwelcome, you as a preacher of the Word are to show people in what way their lives are wrong) and convince them, rebuking and correcting, warning and urging and encouraging them, being unflagging and inexhaustible in patience and teaching. For the time is coming when [people] will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction, but having ears itching [for something pleasing and gratifying], they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, and will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions (2 Tim. 4:2-4, Amplified Bible).
Paul explicitly told us there the time is coming when people will not tolerate (endure) sound and wholesome instruction. He also stated false teachers will abound who will teach things that will satisfy these people with itching ears. That time has come! It is no longer futuristic, but present tense! In our present hour, people are not enduring sound instruction and there are many teachers ready to teach to satisfy their itching ears.
Excerpt from The Believer’s Conditional Security by Dan Corner
Copyright 2000 Daniel D. Corner
After citing Revelation 21:8, Zane Hodges comments in his book, The Gospel Under Siege (p. 123):
This is not, of course, salvation by works after all! It is rather a declaration that in the new heavens and the new earth (cf. Rev. 21:1), there are no more cowards, no more idolators, no more liars—except those who have been consigned to the lake of fire!
But what about born again Christians who have done these things? To be specific, what about wise Solomon who ended his life with defection from his God and with idolatry (1 Kings 11:1-10)! The answer is that they will all be in the presence of God as citizens of the eternal world. And whatever their failures on earth may have been, these are gone. If they had been liars, they are liars no more. If idolators, they are idolators no more. For now they are immortal and sinless. They are conformed to the image of God’s Son.
How did they come to this place. By the grace of God.
It’s very disturbing that Zane Hodges would comment on the clear truth of Rev. 21:8 and say it is “not, of course, salvation by works.” One must wonder from this if he is trying to cloud the issue.
Zane Hodges also reveals how he understands works! If one resists sinful temptations as commanded (Jam. 4:7; 1 Pet. 5:9), he is living in accord with Biblical grace (Titus 2:12; 2 Cor. 1:12), not believing in works salvation! If not being sexually immoral, an idolater, liar, etc. was believing works for salvation as suggested, then Paul actually contradicted himself, for he is the one who gave us Eph. 2:8,9 and other passages about such not inheriting the kingdom (1 Cor. 6:9,10; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:5-7).
The problem here is also the way the Once Saved Always Saved people understand grace. By Hodges’ definition of grace, it should be apparent that he is allowing people into the kingdom (liars and idolaters) whom God clearly stated will be thrown into the lake of fire. This reflects the infinite difference between the grace of Once Saved Always Saved and the grace taught in the Scriptures!
If one would carefully read Rev. 21:1-8, he would see that verses 7 and 8 are contrasting passages describing first the overcomer—those who actually enter the kingdom—and second, those who get thrown into the lake of fire (or the non-overcomer). Verse 8 describes the latter. That passage is very shocking to today’s Once Saved Always Saved gospel, for it does not state that only the unbelieving will be thrown into the lake of fire, as one might expect. In fact, the unbelieving are not even mentioned at the top of the list!
God himself, who knows everything there is to know about grace, his own faithfulness, love and keeping power, etc. spoke these words after the infinite and finished work of Christ on the cross. Along with 1 Cor. 6:9,10, Rev. 21:8 best describes all of those who will spend their eternity, with the devil, in burning sulfur.
Rev. 21:8 is an irreconcilable problem text for all of the Once Saved Always Saved proponents and their grace message, since they believe one can actually do those things after their salvation, never repent, and still not be in the danger that God clearly says they are in! We should not, therefore, be surprised that Rev. 21:8 will be avoided or distorted by the grace changers, through some strange interpretation, because it is so antithetical to Once Saved Always Saved.
Nearly 2,000 years ago the apostle Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, predicted that the day would yet come when people would not put up with sound doctrine. He wrote to Timothy about this and informed him how to counteract it. This is what he said:
“Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths” (2 Tim. 4:2-4).
That time is here! Multitudes of people living in our day are not putting up with sound doctrine and there are a great number of teachers saying what itching ears want to hear. The combination of these has resulted in various false doctrines.
But of all such teachings so produced, there is one doctrine in particular that is especially ear tickling, flesh-inciting, scripture-distorting and sin-breeding. This same teaching lulls Christians to sleep, takes them off their spiritual guard, destroys the fear of God, sets them up for a spiritual fall and is very prevalent. It is known under various names. Some call it eternal security, like Charles Stanley. This is how he defines this teaching:
“Listen, eternal security is that work of God by which He guarantees that the gift of salvation once received is, listen, is forever possessed and cannot be lost.
Others in Calvinistic circles call this same teaching the perseverance of the saints, while still others know it as the teaching of once saved, always saved. Reformed teacher, Steve Brown, comments about these different names:
“Very strong, orthodox, fundamental, Bible-believing Christians disagree on the doctrine. The doctrine is called uh, by Baptists, eternal security or once saved always saved. Those of us who are Reformed uh, call it the perseverance of the saints, but we mean the same thing. And the doctrine states that once you’re saved, you’re always saved, that God holds you, that you will persevere to the end.”
The doctrine of once saved always saved can be simply defined, as its name declares, that is, once a person becomes saved, he will always remain saved.
In this message, you will hear actual OSAS teachers offer counsel consistent with this teaching regarding adultery, fornication, alcoholism, pornography, suicide, murder, homosexuality, etc. Brace yourself for some shocking audio quotes from people with a staggering influence in religious circles.
This is a one hour audio message by Dan Corner with actual excerpts from big-name eternal security teachers and our biblical refutation. Very hard hitting and eye-opening.